When you get right down to it, Celtics fans really have absolutely no right to complain about anything. True, the team has traveled a rough road these past twenty years, from Len Bias to Reggie Lewis to M.L. Carr to Rick Pitino to Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers to 2005’s Game 7 debacle against the Pacers to Tanking For Oden, but how can you complain about all that when the previous thirty seasons featured Red Auerbach, Bill Russell, eight straight championships, “Havlicek stole the ball!”, Dave Cowens, and Larry Bird?
Really, I don’t think you can.
So instead of getting all weepy and tearing up the odes we had written in preparation of The Savior’s arrival (sorry, I’m an unabashed Oden supporter who believes that his performance in the national championship game was a harbinger of twenty years of pure, unadulterated dominance; as far as I’m concerned, he was the only choice the Celtics could have made had they landed the number one), let’s actually do something somewhat productive – like providing a chart listing all the number five picks in the lottery era and seeing what kind of player generally comes out of that position.
| Year | Name, Team | Yrs | PPG | RPG | APG |
| 2006 | Shelden Williams, Atlanta Hawks* | 1 | 5.5 | 5.4 | 0.5 |
| 2005 | Raymond Felton, Charlotte Bobcats* | 2 | 12.9 | 3.4 | 6.3 |
| 2004 | Devin Harris, Washington Wizards* | 3 | 8.5 | 2.0 | 3.0 |
| 2003 | Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat* | 4 | 23.8 | 5.0 | 6.4 |
| 2002 | Nickoloz Tskitishvili, Denver Nuggets | 4 | 2.9 | 1.8 | 0.7 |
| 2001 | Jason Richardson, Golden State Warriors* | 6 | 18.3 | 5.4 | 3.2 |
| 2000 | Mike Miller, Orlando Magic* | 7 | 14.1 | 4.5 | 2.9 |
| 1999 | Jonathan Bender, Toronto Raptors | 7 | 5.6 | 2.2 | 0.6 |
| 1998 | Vince Carter, Golden State Warriors* | 9 | 24.1 | 5.4 | 4.1 |
| 1997 | Tony Battie, Denver Nuggets* | 10 | 6.7 | 5.6 | 0.7 |
| 1996 | Ray Allen, Minnesota Timberwolves* | 11 | 21.5 | 4.6 | 3.9 |
| 1995 | Kevin Garnett, Minnesota Timberwolves* | 12 | 20.5 | 11.4 | 4.5 |
| 1994 | Juwan Howard, Washington Bullets* | 13 | 16.1 | 7.1 | 2.6 |
| 1993 | Isaiah Rider, Minnesota Timberwolves | 9 | 16.7 | 3.8 | 2.7 |
| 1992 | LaPhonso Ellis, Denver Nuggets | 11 | 11.9 | 6.5 | 1.6 |
| 1991 | Steve Smith, Miami Heat | 14 | 14.3 | 3.2 | 3.1 |
| 1990 | Kendall Gill, Charlotte Hornets | 15 | 13.4 | 4.1 | 3.0 |
| 1989 | J.R. Reid, Charlotte Hornets | 11 | 8.5 | 5.0 | 1.0 |
| 1988 | Mitch Richmond, Golden State Warriors | 14 | 21.0 | 3.9 | 3.5 |
| 1987 | Scottie Pippen, Seattle Supersonics | 17 | 16.1 | 6.4 | 5.2 |
| 1986 | Kenny Walker, New York Knicks | 7 | 7.0 | 4.0 | 0.7 |
| 1985 | Jon Koncak, Atlanta Hawks | 11 | 4.5 | 4.9 | 1.0 |
Of the 22 players who were drafted fifth between 1985 and 2006, eleven were still active at the end of the 2006-2007 season. The old man in the group is Juwan Howard, the former member of the Fab Five who was drafted by Washington in 1994 (back when they were still the Bullets) and just finished up his thirteenth season with his fifth NBA team (in order: Washington, Dallas, Denver, Orlando, Houston).
The first name that immediately jumps out as a bust is Nickoloz Tskitishvili, Denver’s 2002 first rounder who was recently labeled “the worst-case scenario for any foreign pick” by Bill Simmons. Skitish actually saw a reasonable level of action his first season in the league, averaging 16.4 minutes in 81 games for the Nuggets, but it was all downhill from there. After four NBA seasons with four different teams, he did not play in the league in 2006-07.
If Skitish is the number one draft bust out of this position, I imagine the rest of that Top Five looking something like this (we’ll give Shelden Williams and Devin Harris a pass, for now): Jonathan Bender, Tony Battie, Kenny Walker, and Jon Koncak.
On the flip side of the busts are the success stories. Five players – Mitch Richmond, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, and Dwyane Wade – had or have career averages of 20+ points per game. Garnett is probably the most complete player in the group (20.5, 11.4, 4.5), although Wade (23.8, 5.0, 6.4) also has solid all-around numbers.
One guy who slips through the cracks when looking at the basic points-rebounds-assists numbers? Scottie Pippen. Pippen, of course, was a special player alongside Michael Jordan on the great Chicago Bulls teams of the 1990s, but his post-Jordan career totals weren’t nearly as impressive. Still, he’s one of those Top 50 All-Time players, a Hall of Famer who shows that you can’t always go on the strength of those basic numbers.
Basically, this is what it comes down to for the Celtics on draft night: best case, they end up with Dwyane Wade or Kevin Garnett, a special player who could make an immediate impact. Worst case, they end up with Skitish, a project who never quite pans out. Most likely, they take someone in the middle, a Steve Smith/Mike Miller-type player, and hope for the best.
8 Comments:
To say you can't complain about the last 20 years of misery because the previous 30 were dominant is completely obtuse. I am 25, the last breath of quality team basketball that I inhaled in Boston was 1986... I was frickin' 5. Since then, I have watched Bird's twighlight years (though still enjoyable), a cast that resembled rebuilding years of Saturday Night Live, and ONE franchise player in Peirce. Not to mention, the best complimentary player we could ever get for Peirce was Antoine Walker. Now, with Al Jefferson ready to explode, Celtics fans saw this draft as a chance at immediate contention. Although we 'contended' back in '05 with possible playoff success, we knew we were garbage. In short, as a 25 year old fan of Boston basketball, all I have been able to look forward to for 20 years is BC making a possible run in the tourney knowing full well we won't win in a 'big game' environment...
you should realize that the current generation of celtics fans has very little recollection of the golden years of the franchise. most of us remember larry bird from espn classic and a bunch of compilation DVD's, not our own first hand experience. yet i'm constantly hearing how great we've had it.
for all of my adult life, the celtics have been a mediocre to terrible team. so yes, i have a right to complain
I think the Celtics would do well if they drafted Corey Brewer or Al Horford. One of those players will definitely still be available at #5.
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To all the Celtic fans complaining about the last 20 years - get over yourselves. You were in the Eastern Conference finals back in 2002 - this is better than the vast majority of the NBA teams.
You have had more success than the following teams:
Washington
Cleveland
Atlanta
Milwaukee
LA Clippers
Minnesota
New Orleans/Charolette
Toronto
Golden State
Memphis
Phoenix
Sacramento
Denver
And you are barely behind these teams in overall misery:
New Jersey
Philadelphia
Dallas
New York
Indiana
Utah
Portland
Seattle
The fact of the matter, unless you are the LA Lakers, you are going to have several years of outright sucking, then maybe steal a championship when you are good and then go back to sucking.
The Celtics got away avoiding this for over 30 years. You might cry about the "Len Bias Curse" but maybe this is the Devil fulfilling his end of the contract with Red. Look at all those one sided trades, look at all those lucky draft picks, maybe Red wasn't all that much better than everybody else, he had a silent partner.
Nice article. I've gotta agree with what Michael said though. Plus, i think all that tanking bad karma came in the right direction. If anyone deserves some happiness after putting up with all the jokes and crap, its portland fans. Jail blazers no more!
I know this article isn't about Pippen at all, but you did make a ridiculous statement about him. Check his stats during Jordans first retirement. They didn't fall at all and he nearly led the bulls to the finals.
Excellent article. And I enjoyed reading the comments almost as much.
As a Lakers fan, I remember the halcyon days quite clearly (despite being a kid)... and it's sad to see such a rich (in terms of history) franchise fall so low. And truth be told, I cannot see light at the end of the tunnel for Boston.
I do agree with Mookie in that perhaps, #5 is karmic.
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When will the Celts bring back the dynasty, or I guess start a new one? I don't know really the rules on a Dynasty, but look out for Boston Celtics NBA Champions 2391!!! Of course, that's after David Stern (yes, still commissioner… and alive) has allowed robots to play.
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