Almost a month ago, a post on Deadspin.com referenced a You Tube video from the preseason in which ESPN analyst Merrill Hoge tore apart the performance of Tennessee Titans rookie quarterback Vince Young (sadly, the video is no longer available, but there are plenty of others), going so far as to say, “The Titans are stuck with Vince Young for the next three years, and they can’t get rid of him, no matter how much they obviously might want to.” I repeat: this video clip was initially recorded during the preseason, before Vince Young had ever played a meaningful game as an NFL quarterback.
Since then, Young has shown himself to be, in many ways, a solid performer at the position; he’s still just a rookie, so we shouldn’t rush to pass final judgment, but he has definitely demonstrated a knack for making exciting plays and leading the team to victory. After twelve starts, Young has entered into the conversation for Rookie of the Year, joining an outstanding first-year player class that includes New Orleans Saints running back Reggie Bush and wide receiver Marques Colston, and Chicago Bears kick returner Devin Hester. Young probably won’t win – that’s some pretty tough competition he has to deal with – but the fact that he has, as a rookie quarterback, put himself in a position to be considered is impressive.
Since then, Hoge has continued to make it his life’s work to tear down Young, with matters coming to a head following Monday Night Football on ESPN on Christmas Night. Hoge once again jumped into the discussion with both feet, responding to a suggestion that Young might be the Rookie of the Year by asserting that he didn’t deserve the award because he has only played twelve games (which is incorrect, since Young has played fourteen, but we’ll give Merrill a pass and assume he meant Young has started twelve games), and it should really go to a player who has played in fifteen games. Conveniently, only one serious candidate, Bush, meets that qualification, so we should probably just go ahead and put his name on the trophy right now. (Hester has also played all fifteen games, but he’s in the running solely for the fact that he has had a great year returning kicks, which for me is the equivalent of a closer winning a major award – in order to do so, he has to seriously outdistance all other contenders. As good as Hester has been, he hasn’t done that.)
This isn’t really about whether or not Merrill Hoge is right or wrong about Young’s legitimacy as a Rookie of the Year candidate – I happen to think that Bush would not be a bad choice, one of the top two players on my ballot – but about the fact that in order to get his point across, he resorted to an absolutely terrible argument – not even Cal Ripken would agree with Hoge’s implicit assertion that games played is the most important statistic in football – that actually takes attention away from the fact that, in choosing Bush, he was making a completely acceptable decision.
If Hoge wanted to make a case against Young, he could have chosen any number of inadequacies in the young quarterback’s game: his low rating (69.7, third worst among qualifiers), his unimpressive touchdown-to-interception ratio (12 TDs, 11 INTs), or his completion percentage (52.6, last in the league). The fact is, Young has a Rookie of the Year candidacy because of his leadership and his ability, first showcased nationally in the BCS championship game last year, to make the big play when needed, usually with his legs. He is also developing a reputation as a winner; the Titans started out 0-5, with Young sitting on the bench for most or all of the first three. Since he assumed the starting role, they are 8-4, including six wins in a row (that’s the third best streak for a rookie quarterback all-time, although it must be noted that Chicago’s Kyle Orton is second with eight straight last season).
Bush, on the other hand, has struggled in the Saints running game for much of the season, but has emerged as a multi-level threat, spelling primary back Deuce McCallister for 5-15 carries a game and hauling in 86 passes from Drew Brees (good for seventh in the league). He has more receptions and total yards than Colston, though the receiver has more receiving yards and more touchdowns. It’s a tight race, one that will probably come down to the voters’ perceptions of the three front-runners: how Young’s leadership compares to his statistics, how much Bush is punished for not living up to the (impossible) hype that surrounded his entry into the league and how much extra credit Colston deserves for rising from a seventh round pick to a primary option in the Saints offensive system.
Whoever ultimately wins, one thing should certainly happen at ESPN: someone should take Merrill Hoge aside, tell him to stop letting whatever personal issues he has with Vince Young cloud his judgment, then teach him how to construct a reasonable argument.
Tuesday, December 26, 2006
Why Does Merrill Hoge Hate Vince Young?
Posted by One More Dying Quail at 4:06 AM
Labels: Marques Colston, New Orleans Saints, NFL, Reggie Bush, Tennessee Titans, Vince Young
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDahCWm0oVg
Here's the link to get much of Hoge's comments.
Can't imagine why you would say VY probably won't get ROY. He has won ROW 3 times and probably will win this week. Bush has been ROW once.
Thanks for that link. I found more Hoge vs. Young stuff on You Tube last night than I had ever thought existed.
I guess I don't think Young will win ROY because he had a lot of ground to make up against Bush, going back even before the draft. And while Bush has posted impressive offensive statistics (at least in the passing game, though the running game is coming along), Young has to rely on a more subjective greatness.
I just feel like the voters will recognize Bush for his achievement, although they could certainly go with either Colston or Young as well.
Good point about the ROW awards. I didn't realize that.
I think you can make decent arguments for a number of rookies this year. Jones-Drew is having an incredible run, Demeco Ryans has been terrifying offenses and putting up pro-bowl caliber numbers at LB. And as you previously mentioned both Bush and Colston are in the conversation.
But the main argument for Vince is the simple fact that he simply wills his team to WIN GAMES. He is the undisputed leader of the Titans, a title which none of the other rookies could claim about their respective teams. When he got clocked running out of bounds in the Giants game earlier this year, every single player on the Titans rallied around him afterwards and began making plays on both sides of the ball.
The fact is that there are things about Vince that make him so valuable to a team that simply don't show up statistically.
The one stat I will use though is this: In his 12 starts, Vince has led his team to FOUR FOURTH QUARTER comebacks. And he did this be literally putting the team on his back.
As good as the other candidates are, none of them can claim to have single-handedly led their teams to victories in the fourth quarter the way Vince does.
I can't believe this is even a discussion.
And Merril Hoge can lick my balls. He couldn't carry Vince's jockstrap.
"he had a lot of ground to make up against Bush, going back even before the draft"
What the hell does that mean? You don't think he made up any ground during that whole national championship game thing?
I think Jones-Drew has been a more impressive rookie running back than Bush without question. The only thing Bush has going for him in the ROY argument is the weird media dick sucking fest that has followed him throughout his career. He has looked like a very average running back during most of his playing time this season. I think most people not employed by Pepsi will make the right call and give the award to Young, who at this point clearly deserves it.
Hoge is just pathologically incapable of admitting error. If, back in the preseason, he'd made the argument that Young was just the player the Titans needed this year, then he'd be leading the Young Just Wins bandwagon, talking about how interceptions, completion percentage and passing yards don't really matter because the man Wins Football Games. It's not that Hoge is a complete moron, it's that...okay, it is that he's a moron. But he's a stubborn moron, completely unwilling to abandon an earlier statement just because it's obviously wrong.
Jones-Drew...that's the guy I knew I was forgetting while writing this. He has to be in the conversation as well.
It'll be interesting to see who finally ends up winning this award. If I had to guess at the order in which they'll finish, I would say Bush, Young, Jones-Drew (seriously, how did I forget him?). Bear in mind, I'm not a psychic.
anonymous, Young played a great game against USC and was the reason Texas won that game. Leading up to the draft,however, who was the consensus number one pick? Bush. There were still a lot of questions surrounding Young, such as his throwing motion and overall intelligence. Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's what I saw.
What is really ridiculous about the whole conversation is that there is no NFL ROY award. The NFL recognizes five or six different ROY awards. So the short answer is that Young will probably win, but Bush will too, maybe even Jones-Drew and Hester.
Maybe most "experts" still thought of Bush as the best talent available in the draft, but I don't think Young should have to make up any ground in terms of winning ROY because of that. Putting aside my obvious frustration with the idea that Young could still lose ROY to Bush (especially when I think Jones-Drew is Young's closest competitor), I'll say that the funniest thing about the whole Hoge thing is the way he has actually changed his opinion on Young without admitting it or saying anything positive at all about Young. Last week, he went from saying that Young won't be able to run the ball in the NFL to saying that "we knew he was going to be able to run." He shifts his attacks on Young every week. Now he's out of angles so he just says Bush is better. At least he's basically become a running joke, even at ESPN.
Jones-Drew is the d*ckface who helped Ricky Manning beat up that lil' nerd with a laptop at Denny's.
I'd like to see that chump in a police blotter, not on my ROY trophy.
Merril Hoge still thinks that there are WMD's in Iraq. I wonder what his concussion to yards gained ratio is?
OROY Tier One: VY, MJD, McNeill, and Colston (any of these guys could legitimately win it)
OROY Tier Two: Bush, Hester, Addai
Bush has touched the ball a lot, but hasn't done more comparatively when he has. Bush has been better recently, but his statistics (less rushing yards, half the average, lower receiving yardage average, far less TDs, lower comparative return averages) and impact seem inferior to MJD's, especially considering that MJD (VY and McNeill too) is doing what he's doing against far superior competition in the AFC.
Merril Hoge is a borderline announcing talent who tried to gain some legs by being the sole contrarian who predicted that VY would flop miserably. VY's success shows just what a borderline talent he is
Though he doesn't sink to the level of some on ESPN, Hoge also aspires to the theory "often wrong, never in doubt." He'll never admit he was wrong about Young, on the off chance people will figure out how much else he really doesn't know.
Merrill Hoge is a douche of the highest order. He's never wrong. I get tired of hearing people complain that ESPN talking heads have an agenda, but seriously, Merrill Hoge fucking hates the Eagles. I mean, he was a Steeler. He played the Eagles what, every three years back then? It makes no sense at all, but he's the ESPN version of George W. Bush -- once he decides something, it's set in stone no matter what else happens.
at least hoge knows how to dress.
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